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Ira Blinks · May 24, 2006, 12:06 PM // 12:06

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Originally Posted by CorstedPirate

Really? I didn't see Kaguya say he finds enjoyment in beating children or abusing animals.

I see...you mean that the idea of anyone finding PvE fun is questionable.

That is the precise reason why so many people that have always been PvE won't give PvP a chance. Do we tell PvP'ers how they are supposed to have fun? Some people do, but most don't. The vast majority of PvP'ers seem to really enjoy telling anyone that PvEs that we are wasting our time and are insane to find any enjoyment in it.

I haven't really PvP'ed a whole lot, the few times that I have some have been fun and some not so much. Does that mean that I am going to flame anyone that enjoys PvP more than PvE, NO. I do have a problem with people using absolutes about either side though.

Some people don't like to PvP. That is their choice.

Some people don't like to PvE. That is their choice.

Liking one or the other only doesn't make anyone wrong or weird or lacking in the fun department. We are all geeks after all, so why the heck are we abusing other geeks for what kind of geeky fun we are having?

Pardon if I sound rude, but you are an idiot. You have no clue what was my remark directed at. Yet You took single sentence out of context and wrote this pile of meaningless flame because you wanted to flame, and not because you had something to say. All this stuff is not ever relevant to anything I said. Not even remotely.

beanerman_99 · May 24, 2006, 04:34 PM // 16:34

Here's my Two Cent solution.

Just use a whole party command like the /resign command. Only this time make it a majority vote and have the command be /boot playername or /kick playername.

Team sees a leecher (which I am seriously fed up with in this battles), team all decides to boot leecher, team types /boot playerX, playerX is booted from the match and earns a big fat 0.

This command only works in Fort Aspenwood or Jade Quarry.

The end, problem solved..............................maybe

Nanii · May 24, 2006, 06:23 PM // 18:23

/not signed... how many more threads like this are there? How many more people bought the wrong game? Im sick of it..

Ject the Rightous · May 24, 2006, 07:10 PM // 19:10

All they have to do is put a counter on you. If you are idle for 30 seconds you get dropped. The odd person who has to answer a phone may get kicked, but really its no big deal, just go again. I assume that if afk'rs had to actually sit there and move their guy around to avoid being dropped that they would just play or not bother in the 1st place. /not signed. removing award for losing team is a terrible idea

Cymmina · May 24, 2006, 08:42 PM // 20:42

I skimmed over the last few pages. Maybe the originally suggested idea is not the best way to go, but I think we can agree that some sort of change is necessary to the way the mission rewards faction.

Maybe they should make it so that the winning team automatically gets XYZ amount of faction and the losing team gets no faction at the end of the match, similar to PvP matches. But, for each kill, you get X amount of faction (also like PvP matches). You should also get Y amount of faction for doing some other aspect of the mission (for instance, running jade/amber or whatever for Fort Aspenwood). Encouraging active participation would be the best way to reduce the AFKer problem.

There should probably be something to detect skill usage so that people who aren't actively helping don't get the kill/resource running type bonuses, just the win bonus if their team wins. The worst that could happen is they would have to use a smarter bot that can do something like resource running, which is at least *some* help to their team.

CorstedPirate · May 24, 2006, 08:48 PM // 20:48

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Originally Posted by Ira Blinks

Pardon if I sound rude, but you are an idiot. You have no clue what was my remark directed at. Yet You took single sentence out of context and wrote this pile of meaningless flame because you wanted to flame, and not because you had something to say. All this stuff is not ever relevant to anything I said. Not even remotely.

Hahaha!!!

You flame people simply because they say they enjoy PvE and I am the idiot. A whole lot of people have taken things you have said out of context and said so in a more polite manner than I, and you have flamed them all. Rage on flamer, it is quite amusing.

Ira Blinks · May 24, 2006, 10:45 PM // 22:45

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Originally Posted by CorstedPirate

Hahaha!!!

You flame people simply because they say they enjoy PvE and I am the idiot. A whole lot of people have taken things you have said out of context and said so in a more polite manner than I, and you have flamed them all. Rage on flamer, it is quite amusing.

You still have no clue. You totaly made up all my PvE hate, because I never said anything like that. And yes, it is indeed funny to look at you.

NinjaKai · May 24, 2006, 10:51 PM // 22:51

Not signed/

I work hard when doing aspenwood but sometimes lose. I don't want my work to have been futile. Even if the amount of factions is low. I want to get some reward for my efforts.

sinisters chaos · May 24, 2006, 10:52 PM // 22:52

/signed

u cant always win, people try hard at stuff daily... but if u fail.. try again

leechers are messed up, so ur saying u should try hard and sum1 next to u shouldnt, and get exactly wut u get...

NinjaKai · May 24, 2006, 10:55 PM // 22:55

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Originally Posted by sinisters chaos

/signed

u cant always win, people try hard at stuff daily... but if u fail.. try again

leechers are messed up, so ur saying u should try hard and sum1 next to u shouldnt, and get exactly wut u get...

Why should the many suffer for the stupidity of the few?

CorstedPirate · May 25, 2006, 12:01 AM // 00:01

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Originally Posted by Ira Blinks

Thus those who good will stick with pvp and win alot, those who not good will stick to pve and win much less but consistant, and others will quit.

That implies that you think only losers or people without skill play PvE.

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Originally Posted by Ira Blinks

I ALREADY quit when I see afks after timer ran out. Team is ALREADY very likely to lose if there are leechers involved. Everything you saying is old news. Otherwise how what you describe different from RA or HA?

Also what is the problem with quitting? It's not like you deny opposing team victory they deserved. It's not like you gain something by not staying to the end. If you don't want to win, nobody can make you, but it doesn't mean you should still get a reward.

Anyone that says they quit rather than help those that aren't leachers or quiters should take a look at themselves. It is obviously not about people mooching off of you if you quit because of one person.

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Originally Posted by Ira Blinks

fine then, it only means that I will continue leaving the game if I see afks at start.

One person will not effect it all that much unless that person is a monk. So again, why leave because of 1 afk person?

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Originally Posted by Ira Blinks

Me and some other people already answered there IS something to play for. VICTORY! If you are not there for it, then why are you there? Go farm your faction from repeatable quests and let those who want to fight have their fun, period. This is the ultimate place for lots of people like me who could never get into HA because of rank/profession discrimination and does not belong to good GvG guild. Leave us alone, you griefers.

I never had a problem with you, just your abuse of other people when you justify yourself in the manner that you have. I don't have a problem with PvP or those that enjoy it, only those that belittle others for not liking it.

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Originally Posted by CorstedPirate

Really? I didn't see Kaguya say he finds enjoyment in beating children or abusing animals.

I see...you mean that the idea of anyone finding PvE fun is questionable.

That was the only comment that I had dirrected at you, and now I am your new target, that is nice. Maybe I did misinterpret what you were refering to, so that response may have been in error.

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Originally Posted by CorstedPirate

That is the precise reason why so many people that have always been PvE won't give PvP a chance. Do we tell PvP'ers how they are supposed to have fun? Some people do, but most don't. The vast majority of PvP'ers seem to really enjoy telling anyone that PvEs that we are wasting our time and are insane to find any enjoyment in it.

I haven't really PvP'ed a whole lot, the few times that I have some have been fun and some not so much. Does that mean that I am going to flame anyone that enjoys PvP more than PvE, NO. I do have a problem with people using absolutes about either side though.

Some people don't like to PvP. That is their choice.

Some people don't like to PvE. That is their choice.

Liking one or the other only doesn't make anyone wrong or weird or lacking in the fun department. We are all geeks after all, so why the heck are we abusing other geeks for what kind of geeky fun we are having?

That statement was dirrected at everyone, I guess I should have labeled it so rather than expecting anyone to realise it.

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Originally Posted by Ira Blinks

You still have no clue. You totaly made up all my PvE hate, because I never said anything like that. And yes, it is indeed funny to look at you.

Now, I am sure that I can go hunt down some more stuff about how much you hate PvE in other threads(gahhhh!!! Search is down and I don't want it bad enough to look in every thread). A lot of people have been griefing you because of your attitude. That you attack the person more than the problem. That you become one of the quitters thereby adding to the problem with the area, since it can be so hard to even have enough people in the area at a time to start the mission. Yet, you complain of this very problem that you have admitted to being a part of.

Was I personally insulting you? NO! I don't believe that we know each other in real life. I am more than willing to post my myspace url so you can get a good look at me and say that it is so funny to look at me.

TopGun · May 25, 2006, 12:14 AM // 00:14

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Originally Posted by Ira Blinks

Or better yet: increase reward for winning side and make loosing side actually lose faction regardless of wherever you afk/quit/dropped.

You, sir, are a pathetic waste of bandwith.

As others have stated before, even though leechers are an even bigger waste of bandwith than you, we can't punish the loosers who actually TRY. Punish the people idle for a certain amount of minutes, maybe, but not the people who are fighting tooth and nail for every piece of land. To the winner goes the spoils, which they currently do, and I don't think we need to spoil our winners any more.

I'm for docking faction from people who are idle for 1/2 of the round or greater. I understand that we all need to get up, piss, or get a beer every once and a while, and that's okay. But if you're gone for more than half of a round, where the hell is your refigerator? If you need to run down to 7/11 (or WaWa, depending on where the hell you are in the world) then log off-- it's okay! There's no title for being on for 23 hours in a row, like there is with AIM.

Sol_Vie · May 25, 2006, 12:17 AM // 00:17

/unsigned

The sole fact that Ira remains adament that he will continue to leave matches until those that leave or go afk are somehow punished is rather telling of the thought process this idea was spawned out of.

Ira Blinks · May 25, 2006, 01:29 AM // 01:29

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Originally Posted by CorstedPirate

That implies that you think only losers or people without skill play PvE.

No it doesnt. You see what you want to see and not what I said.

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Anyone that says they quit rather than help those that aren't leachers or quiters should take a look at themselves. It is obviously not about people mooching off of you if you quit because of one person.

I am not here to help anyone. Nor I'm asking for help. Thousands of people who play this game are not my friends or relatives and I am not obligated to like them and do not expect that in return.
All I want is seven decent people who want to play the game. When I don't find that I quit and restart. Feel free to point out what exactly is wrong with that.

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One person will not effect it all that much unless that person is a monk. So again, why leave because of 1 afk person?

Let me ask you opposite: Why stay? Yes, you can win 7 vs 8, but it is much less likely. And if you don't win, leecher will only add frustration because you could have won, but didn't.

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I never had a problem with you, just your abuse of other people when you justify yourself in the manner that you have. I don't have a problem with PvP or those that enjoy it, only those that belittle others for not liking it.

You clearly missed the point. I never said that PvE suck. In fact I myslef mostly PvE player (which you would have known if you actually read what you quoted). Yet discussion is on specific topic of PvP. Because of that I find it stupid to justify design flaw by farming needs.
I said it many times and I say that again. If you want your faction, go and farm repeatable quests. That is PvE and the place where "give me faction for the time I spent" opinion counts. So if reduced faction makes you quit playing Aspenwood, it only means you shouldn't have been there in the first place.

As for the rest of your post... I think you have realized that you farted in the swimming pool and now trying to keep your face clean. I am not going to hunt you down and flame on every occasion... the less you talk about it the faster I will forget.

Ira Blinks · May 25, 2006, 01:32 AM // 01:32

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Originally Posted by Sol_Vie

/unsigned

The sole fact that Ira remains adament that he will continue to leave matches until those that leave or go afk are somehow punished is rather telling of the thought process this idea was spawned out of.

I don't know if it is my english you the way of your thoughs, but I have no idea what you just said.

CorstedPirate · May 25, 2006, 01:56 AM // 01:56

Ira Blinks, I changed my tone because I saw how rude I appeared.

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Originally Posted by Ira Blinks

As for the rest of your post... I think you have realized that you farted in the swimming pool and now trying to keep your face clean. I am not going to hunt you down and flame on every occasion... the less you talk about it the faster I will forget.

Yeah, I came across kindof like that, and I really didn't like seeing it. You can flame me whenever you want, I don't really care. I have a healthy dose of humilty so it is no big deal. Why do you feel the need to flame anyone though? Does it make you feel better? Those that don't agree get flamed, that is how it works in RL too, so whatever.

quickmonty · May 25, 2006, 02:02 AM // 02:02

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Originally Posted by NinjaKai

Why should the many suffer for the stupidity of the few?

Sounds too much like RL to me

Ira Blinks · May 25, 2006, 02:30 AM // 02:30

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Originally Posted by CorstedPirate

Why do you feel the need to flame anyone though? Does it make you feel better? Those that don't agree get flamed, that is how it works in RL too, so whatever.

Even if I did flame someone (which noone quoted yet) why wouldnt I? Or am I supposed to be nice and polite responding to the posts like this?

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Originally Posted by TopGun

You, sir, are a pathetic waste of bandwith.

As others have stated before, even though leechers are an even bigger waste of bandwith than you, we can't punish the loosers who actually TRY. Punish the people idle for a certain amount of minutes, maybe, but not the people who are fighting tooth and nail for every piece of land. To the winner goes the spoils, which they currently do, and I don't think we need to spoil our winners any more.

I'm for docking faction from people who are idle for 1/2 of the round or greater. I understand that we all need to get up, piss, or get a beer every once and a while, and that's okay. But if you're gone for more than half of a round, where the hell is your refigerator? If you need to run down to 7/11 (or WaWa, depending on where the hell you are in the world) then log off-- it's okay! There's no title for being on for 23 hours in a row, like there is with AIM.

The guy is obviously ~15 and just learned this new cool talk and sticking it wherever he can. I can not argue with him in civil way, because there is no argument presented and I can not smack him across the face for obvious reason.
So what should I do?

Tuoba Hturt Eht · May 25, 2006, 02:38 AM // 02:38

Much better ideas regarding how to improve Fort Aspenwood and Jade Quarry can be found in the following topic:
Fort Aspenwood / Jade Quarry: Increase Rewards, Allow acces to PvP only character

With regard to the "leechers or AFKers" issue, look for ideas / polls 6 and 7:
6. Remove the "Random Arena" concept of these competitive missions, replace with "compulsary enter mission in teams of 4 players" like the current way Alliance Battles work

7. Revise the Rules of Conduct, give players the right to report abusers (leechers, AFKers)

Don Zardeone · May 25, 2006, 03:34 AM // 03:34

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Originally Posted by beanerman_99

Here's my Two Cent solution.

Just use a whole party command like the /resign command. Only this time make it a majority vote and have the command be /boot playername or /kick playername.

Team sees a leecher (which I am seriously fed up with in this battles), team all decides to boot leecher, team types /boot playerX, playerX is booted from the match and earns a big fat 0.

This command only works in Fort Aspenwood or Jade Quarry.

The end, problem solved..............................maybe

If that happens then these battles will turn into noob and scrubfests.
Players will start making up rules like "no bazookas" or other scrublike rules like that.

What also will happen is that the good people get kicked. These are completely random fights. You don't get the chance to go in with allies.

I have personally been kicked, banned and deleted from several games. Not é or 3 time, not 10, not 100... but THOUSANDS OF TIMES.

Some bastard was killed by Don Zardeone
Some bastard> OMFG WTF? I HAVE KNIGHTS ARMOUR AND YOU KILLED ME THAT FAST? HCKR HACKR
Moron of Doom>huh wha?
Mendingwammo> Did you have mending?
Some bastard> yeah I have mending + knights armour + poisonous spiked axe, MAX DAM and that guy kills me faster even though I HAVE POISONOUS AXE!!!
Mendingwammo> ok hax, lets kick that bastard
Don Zardeone> what the... -_-
* A vote has been started to kick Don Zardeone, vote Yes or No?*
Don Zardeone> I DONT HACK
* Don Zardeone has been kicked for 7 days *
Moron of Doom> ok I reported him on the support site, I bet he'll get banned for ever now

I DONT WANT MORONS TO HAVE A DEMOCRATIOC ABILITY TO KICK ME

DEMOCRACY SUCKS

/heartattack